Sasquatch Triangle Tomorrow...

Don will have as his guest Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society Chairman Eric Altman beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at The Sasquatch Triangle, Now On NowLive.com

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Review: Monsterquest 6-4-08

This was a rather interesting program, about something called a Vampire Beast which seemed to be almost a doglike creature, but was quite ugly. It all began in 1954 with a series of attacks in Bladenboro, North Carolina in which dogs and goats were all killed but not eaten, their bodies drained of blood. Several wildlife experts are interviewed, some which have a more open mind about the possibility of this creature than others. One biologist thought the attacks were the result of a coyote, but they did not seem to be that. Several residents of Bladenboro and Bolivia, both towns which are close to each other, are interviewed about what they have seen and found in their area. A footprint is photographed and appears to belong to a cougar. A photo is taken by a cell phone camera of what appears to be a cougar, which might be the explanation for all the attacks, although that seems strange in light of the fact that none of the victims were eaten. Next week, Monsterquest examines Ghosts (which is a strange topic in light of the fact that the show is called MONSTER Quest, but we will see where they go with it) beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central on History. Check local listings for time and channel.

2008 East Coast Bigfoot Conference - Conference Speakers Bio's

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New show debuts Tonight!!!

Monica Rawlins and Melissa Hovey are hosting a new Bigfoot show on Talkshoe called The Grey Area which begins at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at TheGreyArea ~ Talkshoe

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Last Flight of the Honeybee? The Guardian

As scientists scramble to find an answer to the mysterious disappearance of innumerable honeybees around the world, some are asking whether or not the disappearance of the valuable insect is a "canary in the coal mine" situation pointing to imminent ecological disruptions. There's more about the plight of the honeybee, particularly in Great Britain, in So What's Plan Bee? There's also concern for the safety of bats, another natural boon to agriculture, but the Mexican free-tailed bats appear to be unaffected by "white-nose syndrome," as seen in Nature Conservancy of Texas' Bat Cave Preserve Near Mason Provides Summer Education, Entertainment for Families. With photos and video.

Did Toads Predict the Earthquake? The Observers

Prior to the recent deadly earthquake in China, thousands of toads suddenly moved en masse across a bridge. The event occurred in daylight, a time when toads are usually burrowed away from the light. Meanwhile, nearby, a pond suddenly disappeared. Should these events have alerted the populace that an earthquake was imminent? With photos. There's more about the mysteries surrounding the disruptions of Earth's surface, as well as the appearance of the Northern Lights in Earthquake Lights, High Energy Research and the Aurora Borealis. With videos.

Arrival at home

This is me before I left Janice, Tom and Holly for them to head back to Tennessee. I also got a photo of their front license plate.

Photos from my trip from Tennessee to Mississippi

This is the Tennessee River.

Monsterquest Tonight...

MonsterQuest : Vampire Beast Airs on Wednesday June 04 09:00 PM/8:00 Central

In the fall of 2007, residents of Bolivia, North Carolina started losing pets and farm animals to an unknown creature. Is it the same mystery predator with a taste for blood that preyed on goats and dogs in Bolivia more than 50 years ago? One-part history, one-part science and one part monsters, take a look at legendary creatures around the world.

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2 Shows Tonight...

First, M.K. and Don have Bigfoot Central, where they will discuss new findings on the Patterson/Gimlin Movie, beginning at 8:00 EST/7:00 Central at http://www.artistfirst.com

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Then, on Bigfoot Quest, Bob and Mike have Monica Rawlins as guest beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Bigfoot_Quest And as always, we encourage you to please tune in and support great research.

Review: Squatch Detective Radio 6-2-08

This was a terrific show, with guests Jonathan Lee, JC Johnson and Leonard Dan, who discussed some cases they are involved with in the Crypto Four-Corners area in New Mexico, as well as some of their own experiences. I did make an off-color joke about Jonathan due to him being low on the phone, and I apologize for that. Several folks called in, including Bill Green, RayDuce, myself and even Tom Biscardi joined the party to discuss and ask questions. Next week, a fellow known only as "Jim" will be the guest, beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TheSquatchDetective You can also download past episodes there, as well as subscribe via iTunes. And as always, we encourage you to please tune in and support great research.

$50,000 Reward Set for Lake Pepin's Legendary Creature.

Book Review: Bigfoot Research: The Russian Vision

Author: Dmitri Bayanov

This book is an absolutely EXCELLENT assessment of not only hominology in Russia, but also worldwide. Dmitri goes into the various names for Russian Wildmen, such as Leshiy, which translates to Wood Goblin. He discusses the history behind these and the history of Hominology studies and how he and his colleagues have been pioneering those studies for at least 60 years. He also writes an excellent section on the Patterson/Gimlin Movie where he addresses many of those who have claimed to be the man in the suit and their backers, as well as addressing the skeptics of the film. Dmitri also discusses the Yowie in a lengthy chapter, and for the first time since 2001 publishes his short booklet Bigfoot: To Kill Or To Film: The Problem Of Proof in its entirety, with a bit of bonus material, in this book. He also discusses quite a bit about the language capabilities of hominids, juxtaposing it with information received from Janice Carter about this very thing. He then talks of Janice and the events occurring on her farm. He rounds out the book with an interview conducted with him by Cryptozoologist Craig Heinselman, and also some humor and a great wrap-up chapter. This book is absolutely terrific and highly-recommended for anyone's Cryptozoological bookshelf. 5 out o5 5 stars!!!!!!

Squatch Detective Radio Tonight...

Steve, Billy and Becky will have as their guest Jonathan Lee, who had a close-up encounter with a Sasquatch, beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at Squatch Detective Radio, Monday Nights at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central

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Review: The Bigfoot Mystery 6-1-08

This was a really great show, with guest Luke Gross returning for his second appearance, and he discussed more of his research and also about his theories on what kind of entity we are dealing with. I took over as co-host because Janice had some things to tend to here at the house, so I got to discuss the trip I went on Saturday, as well as ask Luke about whether he had found any stick structures or shelter-like structures, and he said he had. We also discussed a good bit about research areas that we have gone into. Dunno what Darin and Janice (and if he is back from the road, JC) have in store for next week, but it should be a most interesting one, beginning at 7:00 EST/6:00 Central at The Bigfoot Mystery, Sunday evenings at 7:00 EST/6:00 Central

You can also download past shows, as well as subscribe via iTunes. And as always, we encourage you to please tune in and support great research.

The Spooky Games They Play... Cape Argus

From South Africa comes the report that pupils at Greytown Primary School have been practicing occult games, leading police to find four teenage girls huddled together in a cemetery where a pentagram was drawn over a grave. Now students at the school are claiming the presence of apparitions on the campus. What's happening in Greytown? Meanwhile, in New Delhi, India, multiple witnesses, including horn honking motorists, saw a jay-walking White Sari Clad Spectre, and in Zanesville, OH, TOPS Investigates Secrest Auditorium for Ghostly Activity. There are others searching the spirit world, including Danielle Lee, who continues her discourse on the methodology of such investigations in Ghost Hunting Etiquette 103, and Bob Martin offers some sage advice to such searchers in Ghost Hunt Responsibly. Before undertaking your own research into the paranormal, perhaps you should know what Bruce Duensing knows and shares in Part Two: A Survey of Mount Meru, and to make sure you have the nomenclature down pat, let Anthony North tell you How to Explain Psychic Syndrome.

'Little People' E-mail Zips Through Rural Alaska Anchorage Daily News

An email making the rounds in the wilderness homes of Alaska warns of the dangers of the "ircenrraat," legendary little people suspected of abducting unwary humans. The native Yup'iks believe the ircenrraat are real, and the story making the rounds over the internet tells of a small boy who claims to have been abducted by these legendary beings. What's behind the ancient legend of the ircenrraat and the small boy who claims they abducted him?

2 Shows Tomorrow Part 2

Then, I am not sure what is up on the Sasquatch Experience, but it should prove to be interesting, beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at

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2 Shows Tomorrow...

First, on The Bigfoot Mystery, Darin, JC and Janice (unless JC is still on the road) will have as their guest for part 2 Luke Gross, starting at 7:00 EST/6:00 Central at The Bigfoot Mystery, Sunday evenings at 7:00 EST/6:00 Central

Research Trip Today Part 2

Then, we went out to Chickamauga where we walked a rather long trail and had some interesting vocalizations, including a laugh of some sort. We also ran across several places in the trail which seemed to be strategically placed (although they could have been weather-related). The most exciting finds were a possible track, which measured about maybe 12-13 inches long (no casting material along with us though), which was parallel to a possible shelter structure. I will only present the pictures and allow you to judge for yourself. I also got some photos of some beautiful flowers blooming up there.

Research Trip Today

Janice, Sally, Violet, Holly and myself went first up on the hillside, where we found nothing more exciting than a pair of panties and a shirt (there's your underwear, Cartwright!!! Heh).

Rare Uncontacted Amazon Tribe Photographed MSNBC

The Amazon rainforest is endangered, and so are the many indigenous tribes standing in the way of deforestation, development and ignorance of their plight. Now Survival International has been able to photograph one of the remaining uncontacted tribes. With short slide show. There's more at Uncontacted Tribe Photographed Near Brazil-Peru Border.

The Sasquatch and the Camera Traps Cryptomundo

Craig Woolheater gives space to Daryl Colyer of the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy for an explanation of trail cam use in the search for Sasquatch. What effect might trail cams have on the creatures they're set up to detect? Also, Loren Coleman introduces a pillar of Bigfoot research in Men in Cryptozoology: Daniel Perez. With photos. And, with vacation time coming up, you might want to plan a trip to The Sasquatch Museum.

Review: Beyond The Edge Radio 5-30-08

This was a pretty great show, with guest John Ventre of Pennsylvania MUFON, who discussed his new fiction book 12-21-2012: A Prophecy which describes the possible end of the world on that date, a date which seems to concern quite a few folks. I asked a question via Yahoo Messenger about the cryptic date, and was told that there might be a catastrophic event that occurs that day, but nothing specific. He also discussed UFOs and famous UFO cases such as the Kecksburg Pennsylvania incident of 1965. He took calls from Bill Green, Thomas Hughes and two unknown callers about Bigfoot, UFOs and aliens. Next week, Sean and Eric will have Dogman/Beast of Bray Road investigator and author Linda Godfrey as their guest beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at

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DVD Review: "MonsterQuest: The Complete Season One”
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Full description of tonight's Beyond The Edge Radio guest

Join your hosts Eric Altman and Sean Forker as they welcome Author of the new book 12/21/2012 and Pa State Mufon Director John Ventre to Beyond The Edge Radio.


About the book:

 “12/21/2012” is like a combination of “The Day After Tomorrow”
and “The DaVinci Code”. It follows four storylines over a two month
period leading up to the “End of Days”. Vatican motives and misdeeds are on
trial as a terrorist group targets Priests, while an asteroid targets the
ancient city in a test of faith. A group of scientists engage in intriguing
dialog regarding UFO’s, Evolution, and Creatism while investigating a time
capsule with two living passengers. As we battle for survival, the answer to
the origin of humankind is revealed in a “Romeo and Juliet” type ending.
“12/21/2012” is fast paced and answers today’s relevant political,

About John:

John Ventre was born in The Bronx, New York in 1957.
He attended college at S.U.N.Y. of Farmingdale and C.W. Post.
In High School, he had a 91 average and maintained a 3.8 during
his time spent in college. John never finished his senior year.
He elected to get a full time job and get married.John married
his first love who he had met while in High School. They
divorced sixteen years later. While married, John was blessed
with two children; Nolan born on Long Island in 1984, followed
by Vanessa, also born on Long Island two years later. John would
have liked to remarry and have two more children. He would’ve
named them Cole and Claire.John has lived in New York, Oklahoma,
New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and has traveled most of the U.S. and
Europe. He grew up poor in The Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens. As
a nine year old, John used to write his own scripts for Star
Trek after watching his favorite weekly show. He would love to
role play and act out his own scenes from movies and play fight.
His first job was as a paperboy at age eleven, and he has worked
ever since. John is the Pa-WVA State Security Director of a
large company and is a member of the FBI’s Infragard group. John
is also a lifetime member of MUFON and the NRA. John sits on the
Board of Directors for JDRF and the Westmoreland Economic Growth
Connection and is his Companies liaison to a Congressman.John
plans to donate some of the proceeds from this book to the
Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation. He doubts the
controversial content will be widely published and intends this
work for friends and family. He doesn’t recall reading a book
from a divorced males viewpoint.Although he was raised Roman
Catholic, John firmly believes in God and Jesus but believes in
Saint Thomas’ Gnostic view that God is found within us. One does
not have to go through a church to have access to God. John
believes that all religious institutions have completely missed
the point. There is no reason to fear God. Religions, and some
people, are more interested in what they can get from God instead
of just protecting their soul. No religion can murder over
differences in religion.  John is of the belief that one chooses
their life based on their past mistakes. A person lives many
lives. He believes that predestined roadblocks will be thrown
in your way throughout life but that you have the free will to
make a choice. He believes we are not human beings having a
spiritual experience, but spirits having a human one, over and
over again until we get it right. The fact that some people can
“speak in tongues” may prove that we have lived many lives. John
actually learned more about religion by researching this book
than in years of catechism. John originally wrote a version of
this story, in August of 1996, while working on assignment in
Florida. He sent copies of this story under the title “Krushchev’s
Revenge” to ghostwriters and movie studios, only to be rejected.
Books with similar themes were published in 1999. A movie also
followed with many similarities to his original storyline. Since
he didn’t copyright the original story, he made a grave mistake.
John had chosen the title from a phrase, “Hitler’s Revenge”, which
referred to society’s downfall from becoming diversified and mixed.
There are racial and religious overtones to the story for the
purpose of making it more controversial; similar to the “Passion of
Christ” movie.Lately, there doesn’t seem to be free speech in
public or in schools or workplaces due to political correctness
even though nearly everyone might privately hold the same opinion.
Truth seems restrained in public. This deeply disturbs John and
goes against the very grain of this country. In 1789, James Madison
said, “The People shall not be deprived or abridged of their right
to speak, write, or publish their sentiments. The freedom of the
press shall be inviolable.”In 2005, John rewrote the story with the
aid of Ronald Draftina, and fashioned it into “12/21/2012 A P
rophecy”.John’s life has on many occasions, in dreams and actual
experiences, crossed into the realm of the paranormal. In the
scientific and medical communities; “the paranormal” is believed to
be the mind playing tricks on you. Could a mild form of psychosis,
like in the movie “A Beautiful Mind”, be the answer for millions of
believers? Three times in his life he has asked his guardian angel
for non financial help. Each time, he received his wish. John
believes you can visualize and ask for help and receive it when the
intent is pure. In 1988, while working in Europe on assignment, John
tried to move his return flight up by one day. He had spent
Thanksgiving in Germany and wanted to get home for Christmas a few
days early. Due to the cost of changing the flight, John decided to
stick with his itinerary. The next morning when he boarded the
flight, the passengers were abuzz about the flight that crashed the
previous day. John was out of touch with the news. He later learned
that the flight was Pan Am flight 103, the same flight that he tried
to change his flight to!What follows is a chronological retelling of
these experiences under the headings of True Paranormal and True
Dreams.His most frequent re-occurring dream has been of a large
black bear breaking into his house. John is upstairs in his bedroom,
looks over the second floor banister, and sees this large bear
heading up the stairs. John locks the bedroom door and climbs out
the window onto the roof just as the bear gets to the window. He
has had this dream over a dozen times. According to Dream books,

Join us tonight as we welcome John and talk to him about the end of the
Mayan Calendar on December, 21, 2012 and we discuss his new book.
We will also talk with John about some interesting UFO cases he has
and is currently investigating.

Be sure to tune in tonight at 9:00 pm est
for another journey "Beyond The Edge."

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Bill Green's review of Bigfoot Research: The Russian Vision

my new book review of bigfoot research the russian vision by dmitri bayanov. i just finished reading this wonderdul beyond the wealth info about bigfoot,the russian snowman, the yowie, the yeti, & the p/g filmfootage etc. this book is wonderful alot info sightings photos mindblowing info about sasquatch & primates etc. trust me this book realy helped me with my research it will help as well. so i would definetly verrry highly recommend this new book for any sasquatch researchers bigfoot/sasquatch books library indeed. i give this book A+++++ this book definetly brings you down memory lane is a powerful way you all will remember it for years to come. thanks bill green ct usa sasquatch researcher :)

The Beast is Back Oldham Advertiser

Discovery of the remains of two lambs, following the sighting of a black beast stalking lambs in the Dovestone Reservoir area of England, has citizens on the lookout for one of many big cats reported to be roaming the British countryside. Meanwhile, there's more - including a photo showing hair - about that Cat-clawed, Hairy, Bone-breaking Frog Found in Cameroon. You can also find other odd-frog facts at Make Way for Superfrog. Elsewhere, paleontologists are claiming Huge Flying Reptiles Ate Dinosaurs.

Fossil Reveals Oldest Live Birth.

DVD Review: Bigfoot (Bob Gray Productions)

My earlier review of this film is below, but this is for a newer version of this film, released in I think 2007. This version has slightly re-shot scenes and some scenes removed for smoother flow. It also has some terrific behind-the-scenes material, which features Don Keating discussing the possibility of a Sasquatch creature in the Mentor Headlands area, as well as a photo gallery. I will give this production a 3 1/2 out of 4 stars rating.

Review: "Bigfoot", AKA "The Monster of Mentor Marsh"

This film was made in 2004 and made its big-screen debut in 2005. The film, shot in and around Mentor Headlands, Grand River and Painesville Township, Ohio, follows the story of single father and former army vet Jack Sullivan (Todd Cox), who moves back to his hometown of Mentor, Ohio with his daughter Charlie (Mentor native Brooke Beckwith). He runs across old childhood friend and local sheriff Bob Perkins (Bob Gray, also the producer and writer of the film), as well as Park Ranger Sandy Parker (Liza Foster), Bob's wife, Kathy (Bettina Steinmetz) and Old Man Hobson (Van Jackson), who claims that mysterious deer deaths are the result of not a bear, but Bigfoot (Shawn Kipp). The old man is seen as a crackpot by the townspeople, until an elderly gentleman goes missing, and the Sheriff's office is forced to investigate. People and animals are found eviscerated, with heart and liver missing. Without giving too much away, the story takes twists and turns that would make any big-time director proud. The film is reminiscent of "Jaws" and "Predator", but manages to retain originality. It's a mystery which takes the viewer on a horrifying journey which has a conclusion few would expect. The movie can be found

Here

and is a thrilling adventure/horror film. I give it 3 out of 4 stars.

Beyond The Edge Radio Tonight...

Eric and Sean will have John Ventre of Pennsylvania MUFON as their guest beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at

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Review: Sasquatch Triangle 5-29-08

This was a GREAT show, with Liza Foster, one of the actresses in Bob Gray's movie Bigfoot, who discussed her acting career and also her role in the movie, as well as the fun she had making the movie. She also discussed future projects she will be involved with in the future which are not related to 'Squatch. Thomas Hughes called in and asked if Liza had fun making the movie, I called in and told Liza what a pleasure it was to meet her at the Conference and also asked Don about the Ancient Conneaut Giants in Northeastern Ohio. Bill Green also called in and complimented Liza on the movie and also asked Don his standard question, LOL Dunno what Don has in store for next week, but it should be an interesting one, beginning at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at The Sasquatch Triangle, Now On NowLive.com

And as always, we encourage you to please tune in and support great research.

My original Review of America's Bigfoot: Fact, Not Fiction

Book Review of America's Bigfoot: Fact, Not Fiction

Bill Green's review of America's Bigfoot: Fact, Not Fiction

my new book review of america s bigfoot fact not fiction by dmitri bayanov this book is AWESOME its russian researchers look all about bluff creek p/g bigfoot filmfootage it was wonderful photos in this book articles & other great stuff as well. i give this book A++++ this book will realy make you realy understand the russian researchers opinions ideas about the p/g filmfootage.this book is realy wonderful for any sasquatch researchers bigfoot/sasquatch books library. thanks bill green ct usa sasquatch researcher henry please put this above review in your blog & janice forum or your yahoo group

Russian Hominology Books now for sale on eBay!!!!!!

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Enlarge	Special 3 Book Gift Set on Bigfoot Research by Bayanov Russian Hominologists Dmitri Bayanov and Igor Bourtsev, with special assistance from Janice Carter, are now making their books available for sale on eBay. In one auction, the three books, In The Footsteps of The Russian Snowman, America's Bigfoot: Fact, Not Fiction and the newest book Bigfoot Research: The Russian Vision are available as a gift set for $125.00, a $25.00 savings. We hope, and I know Igor, Dmitri and Janice concur, that you will enjoy all these books and learn more about the Russian hominologists and their pioneering studies. Addendum: Comment from Chris Murphy: This book provides an extremely in-depth study of hominology. I have known Dmitri Bayanov since the early 1990s and will attest without any reservations that he is a (if not *THE*) world authority on this subject. He and his friend Igor Bourtsev have spent many decades researching hominids in Russia and throughout the world, and are both world-renown in this regard. In this volume, Dmitri "puts it all on the table" in his usual hard-hitting, no nonsense, direct manner. He gives credit where such is due, but does not mince words when he points out that truth or justice has not been served. When you finally put this book down, you will have a totally new appreciation of hominology -- I know, because this happened to me.

Separated at Birth?

Jeff Corwin and Marc Dewerth-separated at birth? You decide.

Recent Post from Matt Knapp

What I'm wondering...

Why is there so much emotional attachment to this particular subject? What difference does it make what a single individual's lone theory is? M.K. says he sees certain things in the film that others do not see. Why crucify him for it? I don't see anyone crucifying Robert Morgan for saying there's a baby Bigfoot hiding behind the log and several more standing in the tree line. If you don't agree with someone's findings, then debate those findings. None of it has any bearing on the one thing that matters. Is "Patty" a person in a suit, or is it not? That's ALL that matters in regards to the film. If it doesn't answer that question, it isn't valid. It doesn't matter what one person believes might have taken place prior to or after the film was taken. If M.K. believes there was some sort of massacre and cover up, fine with me. I don't agree with it, but it's not ruining my day or causing me some sort of emotional build up. It's just one person's theory. It does not determine the fate of Bigfoot research.

Now it's moving beyond areas of the film and evidence. It's moving onto is M.K. the friend he says he is, and M.K. associates with Tom Biscardi. That's attacking the person, not debating the theory. Only non-legitimate researchers talk to or associate with Tom Biscardi? Well, I've corresponded with him a couple times, so add me to the list. Add Steve Kulls and Billy Willard to the list as well. I'm not trying to drag them into this or disrespect them by any means, and I hope everyone can clearly see the relevance. There are many other people in this field who have associated with Biscardi at one time or another as well. I don't see how that has any bearing on who they are or their research legitimacy. I thought we might all be above judging people and their accomplishments based on who they do or don't associate with. If Biscardi somehow managed to bring in an actual Bigfoot, everyone here would be patting him on the back and praising him.

I mean honestly, what's the goal here? Solving the mystery, or discrediting other people due to their theories and associations? I see it as having two options. You can either choose to agree or disagree with M.K. and move on, or you can present evidence and arguments that prove or disprove his theories if it really means that much to you. I think all of us can and have benefited from the work that has been done on the film, not only by M.K., but by many others as well. Regardless of those individuals own theories and opinions about what they think or see on the film.

Matt Knapp

Tulsa, OK

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For what it's worth, I was also there, in the large session as well as the small session, and I was one chair closer to the screen than John Cartwright (who's a very nice person, by the way).

I only want to discuss the images themselves and what I SAW. I'm a visually-oriented person and a photographer, so I paid close attention to the details of what I observed. I also work in a visual field, and visual material is not something effectively communicated verbally. Visual material can only be absorbed visually, and one must see these images for themselves.

The images from the Noll catalog, and the transparencies were amazingly clear. Remember that with every generation of copying, film loses details and gains contrast. The transparencies were first generation and were made by Roger himself, and provided to MK by Mrs. Patterson. The Noll images were early generation copies made by microscope, but I didn't catch what generation. With one exception (which I'll mention later), the versions of the film we are used to seeing on the Web are several generations removed.

Also, we must remember that the film moves at 18 frames/sec. The BF community has focused its attention on only a select few frames. What MK did was look at sequences of frames and the information revealed by motion that happens too quickly to be seen at normal speed. Most of what he showed us was either slo-mo, or frame by frame.

In the Noll images, you can clearly see the vertabrae of her back, the muscles move beneath her skin/hair and her glutes move as she walked. And after removing the reflective values representing her hair, MK revealed nipples on her breasts. This was no suit.

It is in Roger's original transparencies that Patty's skin is lighter, but her face was still darker than the rest of her. It was in Roger's original transparency that her mouth was open and you could see her teeth. It was in Roger's original transparency that she had NO fingers in the classic view of her looking back at the camera - her hands were more fisted. In the comparison of that image to the later versions of the film, MK did a simple enhancement that exposed the masking done around Patty. As a photographer, I'm familiar with masking and recognized it immediately ... it was at this stage that her skin was darkened and her fingers added. He also compared her face at this stage with Roger's original transparency. Her mouth had been closed, lowered and widened. (And yes, this kind of airbrushing was commonplace as it used to be the only way to adjust images. I still had film airburshed before printing images as late as the mid-90s when graphic software finally started getting good enough for such editing.) MK had no idea who had done this, but an audience member spoke up with the name of the person who did that work, supposedly in preparation for printing/selling individual photos from the film. But the bottom line is that SOMEONE edited Patty. One can speculate about the reason, but we have no way of knowing for sure. But the proof of the editing is in the images themselves.

I saw the ponytail clearly once MK pointed it out. It moved like a ponytail and did appear to be secured in two places. The braid was revealed when he increased contrast on a zoom-in on it, and a herringbone pattern emerged. I've messed with pictures for years and I've never seen a pattern like this emerge in only one spot in a picture, and certainly not in conjunction with where such a pattern would make sense. The braid was at the end of a lock of hair that swung out from her head as she turned it, visible only in slo-mo, which is what caught MK's eye, as he told it. Because it was so thin at the end, it looked weird so that's why he took a closer look. The braid appears even in the blurriest versions of the film as blurry line hanging down across her right cheek in the view of her looking back at the camera. Her saggital crest is only hair. A saggital crest wouldn't move as hers does in slo-mo (MK referred to this as her head changing shape). But I admit I wasn't totally convinced of this until the later, smaller session (mentioned below) because of the visual interference of dark background objects as she passed in front of them. This can account for the optical illusion of movement or a change in shape.

I saw the red stuff on her heel and the large spots of it on the ground from where she had just lifted that foot. This was RED, redder than what was in the pool. Maybe she stepped in some red paint - is that any less absurd than blood? All I know is that it was RED, it was on the ground and on her heel and after the next step, it seemed to have been wiped off her heel or covered up by dirt that might have stuck to it.

I saw when she went down. I have since spoken with a couple of folks who had previously noticed on their own that she went down and wondered why no one else ever said anything about it. But she does go down and her butt is up on the air, just as she disappears behind some logs and stuff. She gets back up quickly. I did not see, but spoke to some who have, the spot at the beginning where she seems to stumble over her own feet, and drag one foot, creating a small trench. MK's presentation was interrupted before he could show us this, but I did see the trench in a later frame, just not when she made it.

As for the hernia, looking frame by frame, a flap of skin is seen rising up and completely separating from her leg, than flopping back down. Then the hole and concentric circle appears. MK did not call it a bullet wound ... an audience member first said it. In the private session, I asked why she didn't react and MK showed us a sequence where she did come down on that leg differently in the very next step. And I also realized that in relation to her size, it may have felt more like a BB shot to her, but that's my speculation. There was no blood on her leg, and MK never said there was blood on her leg, so I don't know where people have gotten this. But the classic view of the hernia with which we are familiar is simply the middle frame where the skin flap is halfway up. Now, people have said that these images can be interpreted differently, but I've not heard of another explanation. The hunters I spoke with at the conference seemed convinced that it was a bullet wound. So, who knows ...

Another interesting sequence that suggested a second shot was shown to us in the smaller session. Something causes her topknot to suddenly blow upward and forward. The pony tail jerks upward in reaction. The wind was supposed to be less than 10 mph that day, and a breeze like that isn't going to blow your hair up like that - this was too quick and violent of a motion. Roger jerks the camera in the next frame, perhaps in reaction to a noise? So, was there another shot that narrowly missed her head? It looked like a reasonable explanation to me, but it's only speculation. But this sequence eliminated any doubt I had about her saggital crest being only hair. I can't point you to when this happened. Her back was more to the camera and I think it was later in the film, but I don't know for sure. And of course, unless you can advance it frame by frame, it happened too quickly to see at normal speed. I believe it was only four or five frames long.

As for the pool, it appeared to have a square corner, but it's seen from a slight angle so one can't be sure. There were dirt berms on two sides of it. Roger shot a sequence of Patty over the top of the berm on the far side of the pool, and does appear to be standing in the pool as he does so. There are straight, consistenly-spaced vertical marks along the far edge of the pool that look like the teeth of a back-hoe. The pattern was ... wide space - thin vertical line - short space - thin vertical line - wide space ... repeated across the length of the pool several times. There are no heavy machinery tracks in the frame, nor did MK say there were, so I don't know where this came from. He only said that he got it confirmed that logging activity was taking place there so heavy equipment could have been on site. There is no way to judge the size of the pool in this pic, and the berms don't look very tall. But assuming that Roger was average height, the berm he shot over blocked a lot of his view of Patty, so it must have been pretty tall compared to where he was standing ... MK speculated that he was standing in the pool based on a frame by frame examination. But for all we know, he could have recovered his balance on his knees and shot from there after falling. But my point is ... there WERE dirt berms on two sides of this pool, but you can't tell how large anything is. Some people at the larger session couldn't see the right-hand berm but there were rocks on the right-hand side of it that had shadows clearly indicating the slope. Oh, and you cannot tell how deep the pool is.

The pool had whitish things in it that were lighter in color than the dirt and rocks around it. And there was a dark object in the pool. You could see where the red fluid had been splashed up onto the dirt and rocks on the far side of the pool and left a stain or residue. The red color was a tad more brownish -- not as red as the red on Patty's heel and those spots on the ground. Maybe a slightly rust color would describe it better, but the contrast between it and the light-colored soil around it was drastic. The pool exits the edge of the frame at the bottom and lower left, so you only see the far side and the right-hand side. And yes, this is only one frame in the sequence where he falls down, but it's a clear frame. Patty is only visible from the knees down at the top edge of the frame, a bit right of center. (MK said he found this frame after he grew curious about a flash of red that appears in the sequence where Roger falls down.)

There was another sequence showing a light-colored, stick-like object in Patty's left hand. She seems to shake her hand when dropping it at some point, and it can be seen falling behind her left leg. No clue what that is. But it sort of looks like it has a straight end and a curved end. I believe I recall that Patty looked down at her hand when she dropped it, but my memory is fuzzy on that because it wasn't as interesting to me as the other stuff.

Now, I HAVE SEEN a version of the film, within the last year, somewhere on the Web, where I could see Patty open her mouth and show her teeth. I only really got into BF online about a year or so ago, and I saw it at that time. In subsequent viewings of the film, I was puzzled because her mouth was closed. And I found her image itself to be flat in appearance (because of the skin darkening). I have no idea where I saw that other version, but I do believe that SOMEONE out there has an original copy of it and it's floating around somewhere. When I saw the original transparencies at the Ohio conference, I was blown away because I had seen Patty that way before.

THIS IS WHAT I SAW. If anyone wants to ask questions about what I SAW, fine. I understand the negative reaction to the speculation of the day's events, and we may never know what really took place. But I'm only going to discuss what I SAW in the images themselves. And to me, the images are the only important factor because speculation is only that.

I do think it would be interesting to have someone from outside the BF community, and with appropriate film forensic skills, to examine/compare the images for an independent determination.

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