* From: "Leo Selzer"
Date: Tue, Nov 29, 200512:12 AM
Dear Mr. Crowe
I am a SasquatchlBigfoot Researcher and
Investigator, in Prince George BC Canada. I
have been reading the tremendous amount of
stor~es and information on this Website. I would
like to thank your organization for having such a
great website to enjoy and learn from. Yon folks
have and are doing a very fine job. I hope that
KEEP YOUR SKEPTICALS ON
WHEN READING THESE REPORTS
your organization will keep up the good work for
a very long time to come. I would enjoy seeing
some photographs on your site especially when
there is often reference made to a photo.
Although I am not a Native First Nations
person I have a real respect for First Nation
people for the things that they have to say and
what they have helped me to learned about a lot
of things. As for the topic of Sasquatch I believe
that the First Nation Native People are correct
when they make reference to Sasquatch as being
a "People" and what they say that Sasquatch
has spoken language. I have personally heard
Sasquatch with my own ears in 1994 when I
listened to about 3 or so individuals having a
good time about 500 yards from where I was.
This seems to support what other people in North
America have said about to having heard Bigfoot
using what sounded like language. I have
purchased the High Seirra Recordings from
Northern California. I hope that these
recordings are really the sounds of Bigfoot and
not a hoax, because, I used computer software to
clean up and enhance the recordings and what I
found was spoken language by Bigfoot.
There is one thing that I continue to see over
and over again on pretty much all the websites
that I have been enjoying. Many of the stories
have reference of people arming themselves with.
a gun with full intentions to shoot Bigfoot on
sight. Also there are many references of people
actually shooting a Bigfoot with intentions to
either injure it so it will leave, or to kill it
outright. What is the matter with these empty
headed trigger happy people?'!??
I have been a very dedicated and successful big
game hunter since 1%4 when I was 17 years old
and moved with my family into the interior of
Be. I have hunted and taken a great many
animals over the years, and a couple of times
have had to use deadly force in order to save my
own bide. I can truly understand using deadly
force if you believe that your life is in danger, but
to shoot or axe or deliberately try to harm or kill
a Bigfoot just because you see one is insane. What
do these trigger happy idiots think they are doing?
What do they think will be their reaction if
when Bigfoot is captured and examined, it turns
out that they 'are declared to be actually human?
I just read about a lady who was approached by
a Bigfoot and the first thing that she did was grab
an axe and throw it, sticking the axe in Bigfoot's
chest. Maybe the big guy just wanted a drink of
water, or a closer look with peaceful intentions.
I can truly understand why Bigfoot has been so
illusive and why they stay clear of possible
capture. Obviously many of them have come to
the realization that we are a species of human
that is so far backward that many of us think
that the only way to treat someone who is
different is to shoot first and burry your
mistakes. How many of these trigger happy
morons have stopped to think that maybe Bigfoot
doesn't mean us any harm. On occasion he may
just want to come close to us for friendly reasons.
Then what does he get in return, a bullet or an
axe intended to kill him. I use the term, him, but
actually it could be her as likely; or maybe one
of their children.
I have noticed one common thread within the
hundreds of stories that I have read. Where
Bigfoot has shown aggression is most often when
he has been attacked first or when one of his
family has been injured or killed by someone. I
would like to ask how many people would
retaliate the same way if a member of your
family were to be shot, axed, injured or killed.
Wouldn't you be angry and want some revenge
These trigger happy reactions by so many
people is just the kind of thing that has caused
people all over the world to view Americans as a
trigger happy shoot first minded people. I know
that is not true, but, what are other people
supposed to think when the truth behind these
encounters with violence against Bigfoot is
exposed and made public ??
In hope that I have not offended anyone except
the people who deserve to be offended, and only
want to harm or kill Bigfoot just because they see
one and become intimidated by his presence.
Being afraid of someone is no reason to kill them.
Maybe he is only curious and could turn out to be
a very unusual but good friend, if given the
In the mean time I hope that Bigfoot has the
sense to not be trusting of just anyone. It could
cost him his life..
Leo Selzer... Sasquatch Researcher &
search of Bigfoot"story is located at http://sports.e
spn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=barone/O51208 By Don Barone
"This thing that's out here, it's got a lot of medicine, it's got a lot of power to it. Spiritually, they can
take you. "-- Mel Skahan, a member of the Yakima Nation tribe and a Bigfoot guide
The world, she's flat. Everyone knows that. Except for maybe crazy Chris down the street. He
thinks we live on a ball. And he's going to prove it. Fueled only by wind and courage, Chris will
either sail off the end of the earth or go round and round. Do you crave adventure so much that,
given the chance, you would have set sail with Chris? Would you have stepped on the ship, or would
you have stayed on shore and said, "Stupid Chris. The world is flat." And laughed. *****
"Whatever you do, don't look in their eyes. If you do come up on one of them, don't look in their
eyes. That's the way they will take you."-- Mel "DO NOT go out in the woods at night; it's their time
when they want to be out there. Don't scream in the woods; whatever you do, DO NOT scream in the
woods."-- Mel "I'm searching for my scared scream, not that yelp you do at a scary movie but that
high-pitched 'aieeee' girlie scream you do when you are really freaked. "-- Grant Stetz, sophomore
wrestler, West Virginia University There are 10 of us in the woods of West Virginia. Just regular
folks -- an attorney and his wife, a business-manager type and his editor girlfriend, a retired Army
tank guy who has been in all the latest wars, a massage therapist and her girlfriend, and an
environmental scientist. Your neighbors, except for maybe the ex-intel officer from the National
Security Agency and the state trooper who works undercover rounding up drug dealers.
Just ordinary people ... searching for Bigfoot. We're an expedition of regular folks, ages 19 to
"don't ask," put together by Matt Moneymaker of The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization.
"It's the mystery of it," says my friend Denver, the ex-NSA guy. "There's really not much stuff that
we are going to find new in this world, and if there is actually some big hairy biped walking around
out there, I'd like to see it for myself." And he brought along Gen 3 night vision goggles to look for it.
"I pray alone" Mel whispers, head bent, eyes closed. It'~ two--sockcold. Expensive water bottle or
not, the liquid turns to ice. "I'll ask for power from the trees ..."
U'S so cold only one leg bothers to shake. It's so dark, you can't see faces, only teeth, so you walk in
single file, holding on to the coat of the person in front of you. If they are lost, so are you. "... power
from the running water of the river ..." You hear only Mel's voice; you see nothing. "... power from
all the animals that are out there ..." We are in the middle of the forest, bringing our search right
to Bigfoot. From within, a small voice says the night belongs to the forest. This is the forest's house.
And it wants you out. "... from the wind, have it come right into me, have it help me get through this
evening. I'll even ask for safeness for people who walk with me." The Yakima Nation elders told Mel,
"Don't go." Stay out of the woods at night, they said. The woods belong to the thing. Don't yell, don't
whistle. He didn't listen. It's 1:45 a.m., and Mel is leading us down a small animal trail in the dark.
He's whistling, and now he's about to scream. "I was up there on that ridge, walking along by
myself, and off to my left I heard footsteps, heavy footsteps; twigs snapped, branches being bent. I
stopped, the noise stopped; I moved, the noise started again. It was then I said to myself, 'Whatever it
is, it's tracking me."'-- Stephen Willis, U.S. Army tank battalion, retired Hollywood lies. The Gen 3
night vision goggles don't make some sort of Star Wars sound when they are turned on. The only
sound is a click. Not exactly the most comforting of sounds as you wait for the CVS battery to light
up the night. "So we are almost back to camp, walked about three miles, nothing. Right before the
bridge, we stop and I decide, just for jokes, to let out sort of a woof-grunt kind of sound. I do. About
a second later, from above us and to the right on the ridge, something mimics the sound back to me.
Wasn't a dog, wasn't a coyote. Don't know what it was. Surely wasn't a dog, though."-- Steve,
undercover state trooper It's 2 a.m., 26 degrees. Everybody's green. Blair Witch green. Blair Witch
tight-butt worried. Mel just screamed into the forest, a vocal line in the sand. We realize Mel has just
invited Bigfoot to join us. Gen 3 green shows that this extreme adventure "vacation" is not the
normal week spent vacationing on the Outer Banks. Now Mel howls. From a guy barely 5-foot-4
comes a sound reserved for those more like 10 feet tall. Then, quiet. Frogs are in hiding; bugs keep to
themselves. The group is listening, hoping Bigfoot got the message. The personal invite. "I'm
freaked," Grant says, wrestling with his fears. "We have some peculiar sounds here, sounds I've
never heard before. I don't know what it was, but something said something," Denver says into his
radio to Matt, who is at another location with other expedition members. Suddenly, the woods fire
up. Sounds everywhere. "Time to man-up, guys," Grant says to no one in particular. Seems Mel has
been answered. From behind us, coyotes howl. From above, owls hoot, screech and somehow chatter
like monkeys. And as if to protest this invasion, from dow!1the valley, comes a cold wind. And in the
wind, rides a stranger. "I heard something in the distance make a whoop sound. Don't know what it
is, don't know," Mel says into the handheld. "Very cool" comes the speaker voice, a sentiment not
echoed by those standing here.
"When you have somebody doing the screams, if you actually hear something scream back, you
believe there could be something out there, something a little different," Denver says. "It does add a
little bit to life, you know; it's just not going back and forth from work in your Toyota Corolla, it's
just not the everyday, mundane things you do." At age 10, Denver was out with gramps walking the
back forty of his West Virginia homestead when they came across something "very big, very loud,
crashing through the mountain laurel. "Twenty-some years later, his grandfather still doesn't say
what it was, only that it was big, brown and "looked mighty unnatural," Denver reports.
So Denver's search is for Paul. "I love you, man; before you go, I hope to find it for you," he says.
Like Mel, he seeks answers for ancestors. The answers remain elusive on this trip into Nowhere,
however. We walk back to the cars, a mile and a quarter in the dark, on a trail traveled by animals.
The sight of the minivan never seeming so welcoming. Courage by the tailgate light. Mystery 1,
Bigfoot O. We leave the spooky feeling of the cold campfire, the pressed grass where the tents sat the
only witness to our presence. We head back over switchback mountain roads to 1-80-something. Four
lanes, drive-throughs, cruise control and Bigfoot in our rearview mirror. We head desperately home,
where the only monsters await in the corner office. "Maybe it's the argument between flat-earthers
and round-earthers, you know," Denver says. "Maybe in our life, we are all flat-earthers a little bit.
We don't want to push that envelope at all." Ten stepped on board. They wait, counting the time to
the next wind to fill their sails. Don Barone is a feature producer for ESPN. You can reach him at
Bill Miller, July2004 IMSJLE@aol.com
It had gotten back to me some things you have said about the gullibility of some people and I
could not agree with you more. This is why I am compelled to share some things with you that
you didn't know that I do.
The problem with any inquiry is in getting qualified people to accurately carry out the investigation
in a responsible and thorough way. You may recall the Ray Wallace story of a year or so ago.
The News people from some major and local networks ran the Ray Wallace story and how he
was the one responsible for the Bigfoot tracks showing up in Northern California. As an
investigator and somewhat of a philosopher myself, I did what no one else was willing to take the
time to do and I compared the fake wooden Ray Wallace right foot to that of the alleged tracks it
was said to have created. I then compared it to each and every foot casting in existence that was
taken out of Northern California in the late 50's and 60's and not a single track matched the Ray
Wallace fake foot. I know all to well what you mean by people being gullible and I will offer you
some more examples of this concerning Bob Heironimus and his alleged participation in the
Roger Patterson Bigfoot movie of 1967.
Immediately below is the right fake wooden foot that Ray Wallace was said to have used to
hoax the people in Northern California in 1958 as told by the Wallace family... starting with
Bull Dozer operator Jerry Crew. As a philosopher looking at the comparison below -do
you see the mistake the news media made by not at least comparing the Wallace fake feet
to the tracks they were being claimed to have made? Like those he criticized about not
conducting a proper investigation into the Patterson Film, Greg Long didn't bother to
check this out either before writing about his acceptance of the Ray Wallace story in his
Ray Wallace wooden foot on the left -Jerry Crew track on the right
While there were many signs of fabrication in the Bob Heironmus story, please allow me to share
with you in short order three of the more interesting problems I found. Bob Herionimus was
interviewed at different times by Greg Long. On page 346 of Long's book "The Making of Bigfoot",
Bob said that when he first tried the suit on that he was able to see through the holes in the
alleged fake head. He said "I looked through two slits no I couldn't see out real good
because my eyes were set back real good." long then asked Bob once again, "You could see
out two slits?" Bob Heironimus again replied, "Right. They were about this far from my eyes."
When Long and Bob get to talking later on about Bob's glass eye, it then is incorporated into the
story by Heironimus, so I ask you ... if Bob Heironimus had a glass eye and one of them was
glued into the eye hole of the suit, then how was he able to see through the two slits with his eyes
(plural)? Let me share with-you the glaring of the alleged glass eye that Long spoke about in his
book and on at least one taped interview. In the picture I am placing here for you to see there is
indeed a light spot over the right eye. You may also notice there are such spots all over the frame
both on and off the creature. These are artifacts on the film and have nothing to do with a glass
eye. As I recall, it was on Greg Long's lead about seeing a reflection on the creature's right eye
that Heironimus then mentioned there being a glass eye over the right slit that he had said before
he could see out of with both eyes. Long seems to have failed to see this slip on Bob's part or
else if he did, he didn't mention it either. It might also be worth mentioning that there is no way
Patterson would have known the film would be over exposed and that it would keep both eye
sockets from being visible. As you can see in the image below... both eyes are looking at the
camera, yet the story Bob Heironimus later incorporated about the use of a glass eye was so that
with the right eye only being seen on film would not allow an empty hole to be seen. Being that
both eyes are seen when the animal turns and looks at the camera, then Bob's story ... like that
about the horse not knowing how to buck for the cause of Patterson shaking the film when he
already has Roger on foot, has been invented on a false observation on the part of both Long and Heironimus.
Another instance where Bob Heironimus seems to be thinking on his feet and not actually citing
from memory is when he said that just before the filming started at Bluff Creek, Patterson and
Gimlin had helped him up after he had just put on the lower part of this alleged costume. On page
348 Heironimus is quoted as saying "We dismounted and unloaded the sack noon they kind of
helped me up and put the top on." Nowon page 349 is when Heironimus gets caught making
things up as he goes ... Bob Heironimus says, "Roger said, 'Just go over there and stand there
in that section, and when we are ready to film, you just start walking."'Next, Heironimus
says to Long, "Here's where they started the footage. Then, right in here is where they
started moving the camera, you know, shaking it, as Iwas walking." It appears in this instant
that Heironimus starts thinking on his feet. Greg Long then asked Heironimus, "How do you
know they were shaking the camera?" Heironimus replies, "That horse didn't know how to
buck." You see, Bob Heironimus recalled the official story of Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin
being on horseback when they first saw the creature, but Bob Heironimus forgets he has already
committed himself to Patterson being on foot after he told Long they had all dismounted their
horses and Roger assisted Gimlin in helping him on with his alleged costume. Heironimus had
now incorporated Patterson being on a horse to justify the shaking of the film at a time he has
already said the men were on foot. Greg Long never catches this error or if he did, he never
mentions it to Heironimus.
This next fabrication on the part of Bob Heironimus is exposed by the film itself. On page 352 of
Long's book we hear Heironimus say that the suit he wore had hair glued on it in places, while
bare patches were left open on other parts so to make the creature look like it was shedding its
fur. Heironimus takes it up a notch by making some references to what is seen on the Patterson
film as the 'slick parts' on the alleged suit where he says the fur was missing. An example of this
can be seen on page 380 of the book where Long shows Frame 61. Frame 352 is another
example of this when the entire left side of the creature's upper body looks to be void of fur.
There is seen on the Patterson film what is called the "flaring effect" when a film has been over
exposed. The spots Heironimus spoke about being absent of fur on the Patterson film were
nothing more than the glaring of the sun rays off the creature's coat. Heironimus obviously didn't
study the Patterson film to any extent or he would have noticed that there are frames that show
these places without the flaring effect and the fur is of uniform thickness in all the areas that
looked like slick spots only frames earlier. One such frame (323) is ironically shown on page 381
of Long's book. There can be no doubt that Bob Heironimus took what he thought he was seeing
on the Patterson film as missing hair and incorporated into his tale of wearing a fake suit at Bluff
I could go on about why I cannot understand why Roger Patterson would need to buy a costume
only to then cut off the head and make another one, remove the feet and replace it with his own
version, take out a zipper, cut the trunk in two pieces, shave off all the hair and then glue on his
own fur, plus make the necessary alterations needed to fit Bob Heironimus so well (without ever
doing a fitting I might add) so to see muscle movement under the fur even with Heironimus
claiming to still be fully clothed inside the alleged suit when it appears that Roger is being said to
have started from the ground up. When one thinks about what Bob Heironimus has said here,
they should ask themselves what would Patterson need Morris for? About everything Morris said
about recognizing the Patterson creature as being his suit seems to have been debunked by
Heironimus, himself. Morris thinks he sees a zipper line on the creature's back, but Long doesn't
tell Morris that his observation is a faulty one because Heironimus said the upper part of the suit
went on "like putting on a T-shirt." (page 345)
Could it be that Morris is not telling the truth? When Morris makes references to the Patterson
creature as looking like someone in one of his suits, then it certainly appears he has very poor
eyesight or is lying. While I cannot explain why Morris would think the Patterson creature looks
anything like one of his suits, there is a small possibility that Morris did send one of his suits to a
man in Washington, but it wasn't Patterson. Ray Wallace made a film of his wife wearing a gorilla
suit and it looks a lot like, if not exactly like one of the Phillip Morris suits. Sending gorilla suits out
to private individuals would most likely have been a rare thing to have done because of there not
being a demand for such a costume in the hands of private individuals and I only heard Morris
mention sending a suit to a man in Washington on one occasion. I am placing a photo of a Morris
suit below, along with suit worn by Mrs. Wallace. .
Yes, people can be gullible and having now had your eyes opened to just some-of the things that
Bob Heironimus incorporated into his story either systematically to fit Long's leads or mistakenly
by things he thought he saw on the Patterson film ... one has to now wonder just who has been
the gullible one all along!
Bigfoot research investigator